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I think that I might have given some people here some wrong impressions in the past. So, I'd just like to clear a few things up.
1. I am a Christian.
2. This means that I believe in one God, who expresses Himself as a Trinity of people - God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. This also means that I believe all other gods/godesses/deities-of-any-description are fakes, invented by humans or by Satan to trap people and keep them away from God.
4. In addition, I believe that everyone who isn't a Christian is going to Hell.
5. Understandably, I would really rather all you people didn't go to Hell. Hence, I'm praying for you. And I'm going to keep praying for you. Even if you ask me not to.
So, there we go.
1. I am a Christian.
2. This means that I believe in one God, who expresses Himself as a Trinity of people - God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. This also means that I believe all other gods/godesses/deities-of-any-description are fakes, invented by humans or by Satan to trap people and keep them away from God.
4. In addition, I believe that everyone who isn't a Christian is going to Hell.
5. Understandably, I would really rather all you people didn't go to Hell. Hence, I'm praying for you. And I'm going to keep praying for you. Even if you ask me not to.
So, there we go.
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Hell
Date: 2002-04-30 10:46 pm (UTC)From:Doesn't that just go against much of what we learned. That the angels, even those fallen, don't have a "will". Yet here, clear as day they appear to have it. Sure the demon could be telling a lie. But could you, or anyone here really see God creating a room for evil? God created beings with a free will. It is we, the fallen in sojourn here who have choosen those things against God, and thus caused evil.
In God's infinite love, he even still loves those who have fallen. Could Gods Mercy really be so abundant that those who reject him could still exist, could still be against a being so beautiful?
Two weeks ago, what I typed above frightened me when I read it in the diary book I have of an exorcists activities.
Why,
To imagine that the angels have free will. That possesion is permissive from God. The world was a really neat place till that moment.
What I had waxed and wayned on before, and then only partially beleived became real. Hell, a place that the serpent made for his children with his children. Apart from God's place for us.
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-04-30 11:49 pm (UTC)From:Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-01 01:56 am (UTC)From:'God didn't make Hell. People (with the 'help' of fallen angels) made Hell, to get away from God. Only after they'd finished it did they realise how bad being apart from God was, and how they'd been tricked by the fallen angels.'
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-01 02:17 am (UTC)From:I don't like the idea of an omnipotent God with a Plan.
All hail Eris.
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-12 01:13 pm (UTC)From:That's not an appealing idea.
Neil
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-13 01:58 pm (UTC)From:um yeah, Neil that was a joke. Either 'God' is omnipotent with-a-plan-that-includes-evil or 'God' is random, live Eris (Discord).
No one aspect of deity is omnipotent
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-14 11:15 am (UTC)From:Neil
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-15 08:26 am (UTC)From:Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-16 11:51 pm (UTC)From:Lucifer will be forgiven in the end!
No Lucifer Fell because he saw all creation, and thought it was for him. Then God gave it to the lamb, and thus Lucifer became very upset.
As to the plan, demons for some reason appear forbidden to talk of the "plan" to us humans by God for what ever reason.
Its one of those "If you didn't figure it out, you don't get to know". There is knowledge of his plans that have passed with some of the saints.
Eris doesn't exist..
God isn't an idea.
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-17 08:09 am (UTC)From:No, Lucifer will be beaten and get eternal torment in the end (read Revelation...)
Lucifer fell beacuse... well, I was quoting Ann Rice, for lack of suitable ideas of my own...
noone will tell us the plan, there isn't one.
Discord exits --> Eris exists...
that's how gods are created.
Man created God in his own image.
Re: God exist? Neit / Nine / No?
Date: 2002-05-18 11:29 am (UTC)From:It just shows you don't know whom "God" is. You obviously recognize other "gods" those things in your life you cannot control, that take control of you.
Have you every contemplated Evolution or the Big bang? Thought "How could something come from nothing?" or explored energy's beyond our perceivable range of sight?
Just because something is not perceivable, the results of it are. The air you breath is the easiest to comprehend, we do not see it yet we require it to live. And we know it exists. You can see it if you compress it into a clear container. We know there are good and bad things in air, pollution and oxygen, nitrogen, oxides etc.
Another one harder to comprehend if you know not how radiation works is Bread. If you take bread, and eat a slice, its not harmful to you, yet easy to see, and can help sustain you. Take that same bread and expose it to radiation.
The bread remains the same, but its underlying substance has changed. It has become as poison to you if you are to eat it.This also depends on the amount of radiation, let us assume lethal dosage. The bread would remain looking like bread for a while before it begins to break down.
When you take into account that atoms of matter, come into and out of existance all the time. And that atoms are nothing more than swirling masses of energy (opposing charges for all we know), but have as much order as our solar system, the galaxy's and vastness of space above.
For all the order that exists in our enviroment we are placed, you can say all you want "Its random", no. We didn't come from nothing, something from nothing is impossible. We live convienently in a world we can perceive, its unfortunate that people want to ignore the world beneath our own.
Its one of those things "Ignorance is bliss" things, how 1d10t of us. Ignorance is not bliss, and by the laws of man, no excuse for wrong. How much more to ignore spirituality and the one who is not created, but created all.
How unraveled your world would become to find the ground you stand on is as the sands of time, transient and moving ever more.
Re: God exist? Neit / Nine / No?
Date: 2002-05-19 08:28 am (UTC)From:Also, yes I believe in the existence of Deity, but I think that most of what I belive in has a whole lot of relevence to us here on Earth and none to the universe at large.
I 'belive' in physics...
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-12 01:15 pm (UTC)From:I don't think I've come across anything like this.
The fiery pit in Relevaltion sounds like a God made thing (or at least that was my take, but I'm quite prepared to admit that my understanding of Revelation is far from complete).
Neil
Re: Hell
Date: 2002-05-16 11:58 pm (UTC)From:Ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth. To lead you there.
Go to a Catholic mass, and then read Revelation.
If your not catholic, don't receive communion, don't feel pressured.
Jesus died, went to hell (the land of the dead) and he arose again on the third day to ascend to the right hand of God.
Regardless of who created Hell, Jesus has full control of both Heaven and Hell now.
When Jews died, they didn't go to Heaven, but the land of the dead, a holding area so to speak. And in their language, there is no Hell. At least thats what a Jewish lady told me.
"Yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil"